The UK simulated an attack on its own air defenses based on the first night of Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

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The UK simulated an attack on its own air defenses based on the first night of Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

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https://www.businessinsider.com/uk-simu ... ore-2025-4

Not good.

Don't have the link but saw a recent article similar to this. In response the US border crackdown, the cartels picked up hundreds of attack drones from Iran and hit the southern US. Very bad for the US.

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The UK simulated an attack on its own air defenses based on the first night of Russia's invasion of Ukraine. It wasn't pretty.
By Mia Jankowicz
A warship at sea firing missiles into the sky above it, leaving trails of smoke.
Russian missiles could threaten the UK, according to a simulation. Russian Defense Ministry Press Service photo via AP, File
Apr 24, 2025, 10:41 AM CT
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The UK ran a simulation of its air defenses as if Russia's invasion of Ukraine had been an attack on the UK.
Air Commodore Blythe Crawford said the result "was not a pretty picture."
He also said the concept of air superiority has significantly changed over the last three years.

The UK ran a simulation of a Russian attack to see the strain on its air defenses if the invasion of Ukraine had been aimed at the UK instead, a senior air force official said.

The result "was not a pretty picture," Air Commodore Blythe Crawford said at a Royal United Services Institute conference in London on Thursday.

Using Gladiator, a £24-million ($32 million) simulation system, the UK's Air Battlespace Training Centre loaded up "Night 1 of Ukraine" — February 24, 2022 — and watched it play out against the UK, according to Crawford, the center's former commandant.

He did not detail the exact outcomes of the simulation, which took place in 2022, but it's understood that the UK's air defenses were breached.

The simulation was a stark lesson, Crawford said.

"We've stood for years at the western edge of Europe feeling as though the rest of the continent has stood between us and the enemy," he told those in attendance.

But "Ukraine has made us all sit up and that drove some of the work we were doing in the warfare center to get after how we would solve a problem like that if a similar scenario was pitted against the UK."

Russia pummeled Ukraine with missiles during the opening salvo of its full-scale invasion.

The UK has improved its air defenses since 2022 and uses an approach that integrates aircraft, ships, and land-based systems — a network critical to defeating any attempt to land invasion forces in the UK.

There are also notable differences between how Russia attacked Ukraine and how it might challenge the UK's air defenses, and — given that ground-launched missiles would need to pass through European airspace — if Russia were to attack the UK it might opt to mobilize its Northern fleet and launch an attack from the Atlantic.

Crawford also said that "over the last three years, the scenario has become much more complex, in terms of the types of systems that we need to be able to counter, but then also the mass as well."

"When you see swarms of hundreds of drones now operating in Ukraine, some of them decoys, some of them with munitions on board, the challenge is how do you tackle them all or do you tackle them all?" he added. "That is a challenge we have right across the West."

Crawford described Ukraine as a wake-up call, "where you have two countries with very capable integrated air defence systems going head to head, with neither side really achieving any form of air superiority, which has been a cornerstone of air operations for decades."

He added that this had been made more complex by the rise of drones and autonomy, where you can have "swarms of several hundred munitions — not just drones but combined with rockets and ICBMs, at all levels and in all spheres."

The concept of air superiority has significantly changed, he said. "We tended to think of it as theater-wide and something you achieved over time. Now we see air superiority being from trench to trench and from zero to 50 feet, rather than necessarily being something that's done right across the theater."

While the attack on the UK that Crawford described was just a simulation, he said that Western countries need to learn from what is happening in Ukraine, and can't assume their home bases are safe.

"We in the UK over the last few decades have become focused on being garrison safe and making assumptions that we are safe to operate from the home base because most of the wars we've been fighting have been overseas. We need to reverse that thinking and assume that from here on, we're under threat in the home base now as well."

"The UK stands fully prepared to defend itself against any threat alongside our NATO allies," a spokesperson for the UK's Ministry of Defense said.

"Our military is equipped with a range of advanced capabilities to provide a layered approach to air and missile defence. This includes the world-class Sea Viper missile system, which has successfully shot down a Houthi rebel ballistic missile and attack drones in the Red Sea."
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Re: The UK simulated an attack on its own air defenses based on the first night of Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

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The solution - which Trump won't allow - is to get Russia to bancrupt itself building up such an attack force.

Another way is to emulate the Swedish AF 1960 - 80 with a basing&rearming&maintenance system that allowed a dispersal of own aircraft to less than four planes per base/wartime airstrip.
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Given the very low numbers of the RAF’s combat aircraft fleet, the latter should be possible without much if any work, factoring in RAF bases, civilian airfields and closed airfields not yet demolished.
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.... Apologies if I missed this part, but did the exercise take into account attrition from Norway, Sweden, or any other Allied nations? I absolutely get that this was intended to see if the UK was capable of withstanding a Ukraine D+0 level air attack, so that might not have been included.

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The article is quite assiduous in not giving any details on the exercise, it’s course or outcome, save in the most general of details.

Given that Britain doesn’t really have any area air defence missiles, and has five Sky Sabre systems (each of 4-6 launchers x 8 missiles), and a relatively low number of fighters, the vaguely described result isn’t a huge shock.
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It's also incorrect to do a direct comparison since the UK is hundreds of miles from Russia. So Russian land-launched ballistic missiles could not play the same part they did in Ukraine. Only Russian aircraft, Russian aircraft-launched missiles and Russian ship-launched missiles and Russian submarine-launched missiles would play a part. Even with the Russian aircraft we're talking about Russian medium and long range bombers only as well.

Not an inconsiderable force to be sure, but even without attrition from NATO members still less than what they could launch against Ukraine.
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Re: The UK simulated an attack on its own air defenses based on the first night of Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

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MikeKozlowski wrote: Fri Apr 25, 2025 10:51 am .... Apologies if I missed this part, but did the exercise take into account attrition from Norway, Sweden, or any other Allied nations? I absolutely get that this was intended to see if the UK was capable of withstanding a Ukraine D+0 level air attack, so that might not have been included.

Mike
it was mentioned as this
There are also notable differences between how Russia attacked Ukraine and how it might challenge the UK's air defenses, and — given that ground-launched missiles would need to pass through European airspace — if Russia were to attack the UK it might opt to mobilize its Northern fleet and launch an attack from the Atlantic.
It was mentioned; how European allies affected the strike plan wasn't spelled out. I doubt very much Russia wouldn't hit the UK without hitting European also.
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MikeKozlowski wrote: Fri Apr 25, 2025 10:51 am .... Apologies if I missed this part, but did the exercise take into account attrition from Norway, Sweden, or any other Allied nations? I absolutely get that this was intended to see if the UK was capable of withstanding a Ukraine D+0 level air attack, so that might not have been included.

Mike
No. It assumes that the attack happened as it did on Ukraine, directly on the UK with no barrier of… well, the whole of the rest of Europe.

Not reported in this article but was reported in another journal I saw yesterday.

It was a Bolt From The Blue exercise and one deliberately skewed towards “what would happen if”, the type that generates headlines.
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So in other words, this was one simulation of many and tested an extreme example of something currently very unlikely.

It obviously generated a good headline and draws the obvious responses.

All well and good for GBAD spending, currently slated for 2027....
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