Extinction of steam locomotives derails assumptions about biological evolution, claims researcher

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It's interesting.

https://phys.org/news/2023-03-extinctio ... tions.html

Extinction of steam locomotives derails assumptions about biological evolution, claims researcher
by Brendan M. Lynch, University of Kansas

The Union Pacific Big Boy Steam Engine (one of the largest steam engines ever built and still functioning) visited Lawrence, Kansas, on Sept. 2, 2021. Credit: Bruce Lieberman
When the Kinks' Ray Davies penned the tune "Last of the Steam-Powered Trains," the vanishing locomotives stood as nostalgic symbols of a simpler English life. But for a paleontologist at the University of Kansas, the replacement of steam-powered trains with diesel and electric engines, as well as cars and trucks, might be a model of how some species in the fossil record died out.


Bruce Lieberman, professor of ecology & evolutionary biology and senior curator of invertebrate paleontology at the KU Biodiversity Institute & Natural History Museum, sought to use steam-engine history to test the merits of "competitive exclusion," a long-held idea in paleontology that species can drive other species to extinction through competition.

Working with former KU postdoctoral researcher Luke Strotz, now of Northwest University in Xi'an, China, Lieberman found the fossil record largely lacks the detailed data verifying competitive exclusion found in the history of steam engines: "It's really hard to actually see any evidence that competition does play a big role in evolution," Lieberman said.

Their findings have just been published in the paper "The end of the line: competitive exclusion and the extinction of historical entities" in the journal Royal Society Open Science.

"There's always been a bias to assume in the scientific community that competition is sort of the fundamental force that drives evolution and plays the biggest role on extinction," Lieberman said. "That idea comes from a lot of different areas of research, including on the fossil record. But we, as paleontologists, have to dive down deeper into the data and analyze them."

What would the ideal "fossil record" for steam trains look like? The researchers discovered a mother lode of data on steam engines, including their die-off, in Locobase, a steam locomotive database compiled and curated by Steve Llanso and accessible through steamlocomotive.com, a website run by Wes Barris.

"I'd always been fascinated by steam engines because they're the technological equivalent of dinosaurs," Lieberman said. "They're gigantic. We infer dinosaurs made a lot of noise. We know that steam locomotives made a lot of noise, but they're no longer with us."

Lieberman and Strotz found the train database stood as an example of the sort of evidence necessary for paleontologists to conclude certain species died off due to competitive exclusion, or direct competition with other species.


"We've been thinking of trying to find a model from technology where we could say, 'Aha! Here we have good evidence for competition playing the critical role,'" Lieberman said. "We'd know when certain new technologies appeared, like the mass production of the motor vehicle and the diesel locomotive. Maybe this is a case where we see what happened due to competition. Then, let's look at the fossil record and try and use this technology as an example of what we need to see if we are going to, in fact, demonstrate competition played a role in extinction."

The relevant train history for the KU researchers begins before steam-engine trains faced competition from emergent technologies that performed the same tasks. They focused on how much tractive effort was generated by steam engines versus the newer engines that would replace them.

The trilobite Acanthopyge, from Oklahoma, in the collections of the Division of Invertebrate Paleontology in the KU Biodiversity Institute. Credit: Steven Wagner
"You start to see these new competitive challenges to the steam locomotive—first, the electrification of engines in the 1880s, and then the development of the automobile," Lieberman said. "It was no longer efficient for railroads to use steam locomotives to pull things. Then they start to become more specialized and can only thrive in one or just a few areas pulling heavy things and maybe moving longer distances."

Looking at the phase-out of steam locomotion, the researchers found evidence of "an immediate, directional response to the first appearance of a direct competitor, with subsequent competitors further reducing the realized niche of steam locomotives, until extinction was the inevitable outcome."

But the study suggests extinction can be tied directly to competition between species only under specific circumstances "when niche overlap between an incumbent and its competitors is near absolute and where the incumbent is incapable of transitioning to a new adaptive zone."

How might this work in the natural world? Lieberman cited three examples where paleontologists believed direct competition between species triggered extinction for some of the competitors. In some cases, the idea that competitive exclusion was at play has been debunked; in other examples, evidence of competitive exclusion falls far short compared with the meticulous data available on the demise of steam engines.

"One of the classic examples involved mammals and non-flying dinosaurs, where the traditional view was, 'Hey, the mammals were smarter and quicker and they dropped these dinosaurs to extinction,'" he said. "Now we know that it was a giant rock that fell out of the sky that caused this tremendous environmental damage, and bigger things are more likely to be susceptible to that. The second famous example involves trilobites and crustaceans, and the last example is clams and brachiopods."

The KU researcher said data on steam locomotives might cast doubt on the notion that adaptability in a species is a hallmark of evolutionary success. Rather, the study adds to evidence that species adapting to new roles and environments do so from desperation.

"For a time when there's no competitors to steam-locomotive technology, we see them almost diversify and diffuse into no particular direction," Lieberman said.

"But when these new locomotives appear, we see a profound shift to really active natural selection and adaptation of the steam locomotive. Often, it's thought that adaptation is a good sign for a group. But what we would argue is, in fact, when things start to adapt and shift directionally—traditionally in evolution that's not a good time for a group. We'd argue it's a sign the group may be experiencing duress or pressure from other things."

By better understanding the causes, conditions and frequency of competitive exclusion, Lieberman said it might be possible to predict what species risk extinction in the years ahead, as human-driven climate change alters and reduces habitats for the world's species.

"We wanted not just to look at the past, but to be able to predict competition," Lieberman said. "Can we look at specific groups that are alive today that we might be able to project out into the future and say, 'Hey, this thing is showing signs that it's in this danger zone already.' We can predict whether it's going to go extinct."

More information: Luke C. Strotz et al, The end of the line: competitive exclusion and the extinction of historical entities, Royal Society Open Science (2023). DOI: 10.1098/rsos.221210

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I was hoping for Jurassic Station: Platform 2. Dammit.
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That article is one big strained analogy. I daresay other mammals may feel a bit outcompeted by Hom. Sap.
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warshipadmin wrote: Wed Mar 29, 2023 8:37 pm That article is one big strained analogy. I daresay other mammals may feel a bit outcompeted by Hom. Sap.
I don't know, it doesn't seem as strained when you see two big steam locomotives mating.

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"You start to see these new competitive challenges to the steam locomotive—first, the electrification of engines in the 1880s, and then the development of the automobile," Lieberman said. "It was no longer efficient for railroads to use steam locomotives to pull things. Then they start to become more specialized and can only thrive in one or just a few areas pulling heavy things and maybe moving longer distances."
Excuse me but at that time anything other than steam is the niche application. Streetcars, subways, light stuff. Post 1900 the competition is getting real but electric was still held back by frequency. The first 50 Herz engines came out after WW2, DC was relatively easy to do but performance was limited, sub 50 Herz required extra infrastructure.
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Dont say never. In a world of limited hydrocarbons, steam trains will make a come back. I dont see a battery powered locomotive pulling cars over the rockies. Is there such a thing as a nuke locomotive?
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rtoldman wrote: Tue Apr 04, 2023 7:07 pm Dont say never. In a world of limited hydrocarbons, steam trains will make a come back. I dont see a battery powered locomotive pulling cars over the rockies. Is there such a thing as a nuke locomotive?
If there’s a steam one, then a nuclear one is only an extension. One would need a reactor car.
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Not to get into the way of nuclear locomotives, but I suspect that electrifying the railroads might be a bit more realistic option. ;)
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Silence you.....

NUCLEAR LOCOMOTIVES! LETS GO.
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Micael wrote: Tue Apr 04, 2023 8:00 pm Not to get into the way of nuclear locomotives, but I suspect that electrifying the railroads might be a bit more realistic option. ;)
BANISH HIM!

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There was probably a prototype built. You know how they were with that stuff back then.
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Kunkmiester wrote: Tue Apr 04, 2023 9:34 pm There was probably a prototype built. You know how they were with that stuff back then.
The Soviets had a rail mobile reactor at least, IIRC. Road mobile one too…
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As I recall, WE had an AIRBORNE reactor.

Let me check my notes....

Hmmm...


Yes, yes we did.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convair_NB-36H

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Re: nuclear locomotives (post by rtoldman): the idea of a nuclear locomotive was investigated in the 1950s: I think Alco (American Locomotive Company, a steam locomotive manufacturer that made a fairly successful transition to diesels in a consortial arrangement with General Electric) was involved, and I have a vague memory of conceptual artwork showing family resemblance to Alco diesels. I think the conclusion was that the shielding needed for running a nuclear-powered train through populated areas was impractically heavy, and that the consequences of a derailment ... didn't bear thinking about.
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More generally: the whole topic seems wacky to me: the analogies between biological and technological "evolution" seem too stretched to make this a useful line of inquiry. But scientific advances CAN at first seem unlikely, so probably a good thing that somebody has thought about this...
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A couple of analogies strike me. A large "clade" (evolutionary group) is likely to have representatives in a wide variety of forms and specializations, and if it goes extinct it may disappear in some of them long before it drops out of others. With locomotives... big vs. small. My impression or American railroad history is that diesel switch engines (shunters in British English) started outselling steam well before large steam locomotives for long-distance haulage dropped out. (Umm. With, of course, exceptions. Maybe we should think of the Norfolk & Western Railway, which built steam switch engines as late as 1953, as a sort of Australia: an isolated ecosystem where groups long extinct elsewhere survived later.) Tempting biological analogy: for a long time it seemed as if the last-surviving Pterosaurs (flying reptiles) were big ones, which lasted to the end of the Mesozoic, with smaller types going extinct much earlier: tempting to think that small Pterosaurs were outcompeted by birds. (Alas, my impression is that this particular idea is no longer widely held...)
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As for the problem in biological theory that led to investigation of this analogy... It's really hard to prove, from the paleontological record, that the extinction of one group was a result of competition from another. (Among mammals, a possible example that has been discussed and argued over for decades is whether the extinction of Multituberculates, about 35 million years ago, was due competition from Rodents. Very plausible, but very hard to prove.)
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But thanks for posting the article, jemhouston! A fun bit of speculation!
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Belushi TD wrote: Wed Apr 05, 2023 3:11 pm As I recall, WE had an AIRBORNE reactor.

Let me check my notes....

Hmmm...


Yes, yes we did.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convair_NB-36H

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That was a proof of concept to see if actually powering an aeroplane by nuclear was a) practical and b) a good idea. The answer to both was “no”.

The Supersonic Low Altitude Missile however…

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superso ... de_Missile

And why THIS was never built I have no idea! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_CL-1201
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rtoldman wrote: Tue Apr 04, 2023 7:07 pmDont say never. In a world of limited hydrocarbons, steam trains will make a come back. I dont see a battery powered locomotive pulling cars over the rockies. Is there such a thing as a nuke locomotive?
If only there was a way that electrical wires could follow the train...
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Pdf27 wrote: Tue May 30, 2023 7:58 am
rtoldman wrote: Tue Apr 04, 2023 7:07 pmDont say never. In a world of limited hydrocarbons, steam trains will make a come back. I dont see a battery powered locomotive pulling cars over the rockies. Is there such a thing as a nuke locomotive?
If only there was a way that electrical wires could follow the train...
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Pfff. It’ll never catch on!
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Just as trains would routinely add an extra engine or two for mountains, there's nothing to prevent such battery-powered units being re-charged by local 'renewable' and/or mini-nuclear on both sides of hard climbs. Probably need several units available...

Note they'd significantly recharge on down-slope via dynamic braking, something non-electrics cannot do. It changes the paradigm...

Catenaries are real-neat, but do not like adverse weather. Even with the best tensioning systems, icing would be a problem. Also, any damage to any pylon closes route...

Um, IIRC, mainline UK steam locos never switched to 'automatic' stoking. Or oil-fired. Routes went straight to diesel / D-E, then electrified...

The steam locos should be seen in parallel with big ships, that went from classic 'triple expansion' via steam turbines to a three-way mix of steam turbines for nuclear, gas turbines and mega-diesels...

The electric transmissions / IsoPods some have are a harbinger of near-future fusion power usage. Given the size of a mega-diesel, they are comparable...

( Yeah, yeah, like AI, fusion power has been a 'decade or two away' since I was a kid: I'm increasingly optimistic that I'll live to see it 'come good'... )
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Nothing like an electric locomotive chugging over the rockies when all of a sudden there is a brown out. Still thinking that there is a place for steam at each end of the technology cycle. First time during the age of discovery and the second time during the age of collapse.
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rtoldman wrote: Tue May 30, 2023 8:52 pmNothing like an electric locomotive chugging over the rockies when all of a sudden there is a brown out. Still thinking that there is a place for steam at each end of the technology cycle. First time during the age of discovery and the second time during the age of collapse.
If you have problems with brown-outs on your electrical grid you really need to join the 20th century!
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