Star Trek: Picard - Season 3

[Johnnie Lyle]

Maybe the Borg have visited Liverpool and came back to find their cube up on bricks?

They have to do something to reduce crime and improve quality of life

I did love that bit where Worf and Riker went a bit Boyle and Peralta.

The humor was great in so many places, especially the interplay between Worf and Riker.

[Craiglxviii]

“Agreed. We will make a threesome.”
“Do you even know what you’re saying?”

[Bernard Woolley]

That made me LOL. It was pure Brooklyn Nine-Nine.

GALAXYs were more battleship than cruisers, as were SOVEREIGNs and presumably ODYSSEYs.

My theory for the size of the Galaxy class is that it's related to the fact that families are now carried during exploratory voyages. Starships on extended voyages need more accomodation, plus all the support services needed, such as nurseries, schools, stuff for spouses to do etc.

[brutus]

Great moments:

1. “Agreed. We will make a threesome.”
“Do you even know what you’re saying?”

2. Data's counseling session and Riker's question afterward.

3. Seven's speech to her crew.

4. Seven of Nine being informed of her promotion.

Not so great moments:

1. Troi telling everyone on the cube that destroying the beacon/transmitter will destroy the entire cube. Who designed this cube, George Lucas? The structure in that cube looked massive, but destroying that one piece of equipment means it all falls apart?

2. Renaming the Titan. No. That was just plain wrong.

The ship and crew just fought singlehandedly, with no regard for their safety or survival, in what is probably the most important battle in the history of the Federation up to that point. And they succeeded in delaying the fleet until the Enterprise D destroyed the Borg cube. They just elevated the name of the USS Titan to one the most prestigious in Starfleet. It is likely that there will now be starships named Titan for as long as there are starships named Enterprise, Voyager, Excelsior, Defiant and named after all of the other ships in the Fleet museum. And they want to strip that away from the Titan and its crew? It's just insulting.

If the writers wanted Seven of Nine to command the Enterprise, they should have given her the NCC-1701-F. Its time on screen was so brief that it was a blink and you missed it moment. Now it's gone forever. NCC-1701-F, you deserved better. We hardly knew you.

If the Enterprise is supposed to be the flagship of Starfleet and show the Federation flag, it should be the most modern, powerful and impressive design that can be developed at that time. Not the 20th redesign of what is a century and a half old starship design.

Bernard Woolley wrote:

Johnnie Lyle wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 5:30 pm
GALAXYs were more battleship than cruisers, as were SOVEREIGNs and presumably ODYSSEYs.

My theory for the size of the Galaxy class is that it's related to the fact that families are now carried during exploratory voyages. Starships on extended voyages need more accomodation, plus all the support services needed, such as nurseries, schools, stuff for spouses to do etc.

Agreed. It's an exploratory cruiser. The Constitution-class were heavy cruisers, the Excelsior-class probably were as well.

I don't think that Starfleet built dreadnoughts. There have been a lot of fan fiction designs, but none have ever appeared on screen (possible exception - the rebuilt Enterprise D in "All Good Things". But that timeline didn't actually happen). If they had built some, we should have seen them on DS9 during the Dominion War or during the attack on Earth during Star Trek First Contact. Dreadnoughts just aren't particularly good mixed use starships, so they probably don't get built.

[Jotun]

Is it okay to admit I was attacked by onion-cutting ninjas when they reactivated the Enterprise-D? I really got choked up. TNG was first shown in Germany from when I was twelve to when I was eighteen, and to me, Star Trek IS the NCC-1701D and Sir Patrck Stewart OBE will always be "Jean-Luc" to me as in "Oh, look, Jean-Luc had a role in the old Dune movie".
The whole season was pure fan service. And as a fan, I felt extremely serviced.
One of the absolute high points for me was Data‘s shit-eating grin when they did the attack on the Death St…Borg Cube thingie…and Worf‘s bone-dry witticisms.

Screw the first two episodes. This is how it‘s done.

[Craiglxviii]

Is it okay to admit I was attacked by onion-cutting ninjas when they reactivated the Enterprise-D? I really got choked up. TNG was first shown in Germany from when I was twelve to when I was eighteen, and to me, Star Trek IS the NCC-1701D and Sir Patrck Stewart OBE will always be "Jean-Luc" to me as in "Oh, look, Jean-Luc had a role in the old Dune movie".
The whole season was pure fan service. And as a fan, I felt extremely serviced.
One of the absolute high points for me was Data‘s shit-eating grin when they did the attack on the Death St…Borg Cube thingie…and Worf‘s bone-dry witticisms.

Screw the first two episodes. This is how it‘s done.

Wot you said!

[Bernard Woolley]

Might I be wrong in thinking that there might be a Titan B, which has taken the mantle of the ship that is now Enterprise G?

Talking of Enterprises, F was already on her way out. She was due to be decomissioned after Frontier Day due to damage suffered in the recent past. Something happened to her that was not in any way Worf's fault. I think she was a bit like those ships we pulled out of reserve for Fleet Reviews, only really capable of operating in Earth's orbit.

Maybe Titan B will be the new Fleet Flagship for a while?

[brutus]

Talking of Enterprises, F was already on her way out. She was due to be decomissioned after Frontier Day due to damage suffered in the recent past. Something happened to her that was not in any way Worf's fault. I think she was a bit like those ships we pulled out of reserve for Fleet Reviews, only really capable of operating in Earth's orbit.

Star Trek logs on Instagram says that the critical systems were comprised on a rescue mission or something. Sounds like a BS excuse to me, they just had to make up something to accommodate the writers. Whatever systems were compromised could be replaced for less than the cost of building a new ship. The -F was supposed to be about 15 years old, so you have to figure its used about one-half to one-third of it hull life (once you allow for the inevitable beating that it will take).

[Bernard Woolley]

Good old writers’ fiat. Something I know nothing about. Honest.

Could be explained as there also being structural issues. We don’t even know she had a functioning warp core.

[James1978]

It was the 1701-E that Worf said wasn't his fault.

As far as the 1701-F, I believe the official explanation for why such a young ship was getting decommissioned was something like "it's not the age,it's the miles - Flagships get run hard." Which, ok, sure . . . buuuuutttt, we've seen from countless Mirandas and Excelsiors that Starfleet ship's spaceframes are solid and are built to last and be refitted. Starfleet doesn't build ships to be disposable, at least not in peacetime. So I'm having a difficult time believing that the CVN equivalent doesn't get the Starfleet version of a SLEP/RCOH.

[Johnnie Lyle]

Take a look at the neck connecting the primary and secondary hulls on the ODYSSEY class. It looks hollow, with struts on the side but not filled in. Could be a structural weakness if you push the ship hard.

[Johnnie Lyle]

So, umm, about Episode 9 . . .

I've generally been enjoying this season. Don't get me wrong, there have been a couple of things that have me raising an eyebrow, but I've mostly tried to look past those few things and just enjoyed seeing where things were going. After Episode 9, I'm not sure how much leeway I can give anymore.

No spoilers - but if/when Our Heroes save the day, there is still going to be one hell of a mess in the aftermath.

Absolutely.

The psychological casualties alone have to be in the tens or hundreds of thousands. Lots of those assimilated are going to have horrific trauma, and many of those not assimilated are going to have serious both trust issues and more traditional PTSD. That’s going to have major consequences to the fleet.

The other horrible consequence will be the loss of experienced senior officers. Most admirals, captains and XOs in the assimilated ships are dead. More department and division heads are probably alive, but the experience loss there has to be horrendous, especially because most of the survivors have to be promoted to fill the empty CO and XO billets.

We also have no idea how bad things are for the true kiddos planetside. How many little ones ended up assimilated, and thus horribly scarred? We can realistically assume things were not terrible outside the Sol system (based on not having to fight their way through hordes of drones to get to ENTERPRISE), but if humans are the major recruiting base for Starfleet, then this could have repercussions for decades.

Pretty much every one of our heroes can expect to be recalled to duty. At a minimum, Geordi can expect to be pulled out of the Fleet Museum and given a fleet command, and both Riker and Worf given commands as well. Hell, both Troi and Data may well end up with four pips and starship commands - they’re both way too experienced to leave on the beach. Troi is the only one who has other competing demands on, since the need for mental health professionals is going to be as bad as for captains, and she has more relevant experience than most in dealing with the psychological trauma of assimilation.

The big upside of the Changlings keeping those they doppleganged is that those experienced people are still alive.

Starfleet will probably require years or even decades to recover. They may have to drastically scale down the fleet just to be able to crew it.

[Johnnie Lyle]

Is it okay to admit I was attacked by onion-cutting ninjas when they reactivated the Enterprise-D? I really got choked up. TNG was first shown in Germany from when I was twelve to when I was eighteen, and to me, Star Trek IS the NCC-1701D and Sir Patrck Stewart OBE will always be "Jean-Luc" to me as in "Oh, look, Jean-Luc had a role in the old Dune movie".
The whole season was pure fan service. And as a fan, I felt extremely serviced.
One of the absolute high points for me was Data‘s shit-eating grin when they did the attack on the Death St…Borg Cube thingie…and Worf‘s bone-dry witticisms.

Screw the first two episodes. This is how it‘s done.

Yes, because it 100% was a punch right in the feels all season. The villains induced real anger, the heroes earned their moments of triumph, and dear lord did we shed tears for the scares, the losses, and some of the incredible wonders, like the nebula babies.

[Johnnie Lyle]

I think, if we have lived long enough and seen enough shit, we have a dream team - usually the team we had the first time we sat in the Big Chair. The nature of life is that we part ways, people come and people go. But I think we always dream of that moment, Mark II - where we put the band back together and augment it with the new and incredible people we have met along the way, and go out to save the world, again.

A major piece of the emotions of Picard Season 3 is that he got to do just that.

[Johnnie Lyle]

That made me LOL. It was pure Brooklyn Nine-Nine.

GALAXYs were more battleship than cruisers, as were SOVEREIGNs and presumably ODYSSEYs.

My theory for the size of the Galaxy class is that it's related to the fact that families are now carried during exploratory voyages. Starships on extended voyages need more accomodation, plus all the support services needed, such as nurseries, schools, stuff for spouses to do etc.

Which by 2401 they seem to have abandoned that, thankfully.

It’s one thing to ask someone to risk their life. It’s incredibly different and far harder to ask somebody to risk their family.

[Jotun]

Wasn‘t the Defiant the first pure combat vessel of the Federation, minimal crew and disproportionately strong armament, born from the lessons of the war against the Borg?

[Craiglxviii]

Talking of Enterprises, F was already on her way out. She was due to be decomissioned after Frontier Day due to damage suffered in the recent past. Something happened to her that was not in any way Worf's fault. I think she was a bit like those ships we pulled out of reserve for Fleet Reviews, only really capable of operating in Earth's orbit.

Star Trek logs on Instagram says that the critical systems were comprised on a rescue mission or something. Sounds like a BS excuse to me, they just had to make up something to accommodate the writers. Whatever systems were compromised could be replaced for less than the cost of building a new ship. The -F was supposed to be about 15 years old, so you have to figure its used about one-half to one-third of it hull life (once you allow for the inevitable beating that it will take).

GALAXY- class spaceframe design service life was 100 years…

[Craiglxviii]

Wasn‘t the Defiant the first pure combat vessel of the Federation, minimal crew and disproportionately strong armament, born from the lessons of the war against the Borg?

That’s what was said when DEFIANT first rocked up at DS9, yep.

[clancyphile]

It was the 1701-E that Worf said wasn't his fault.

As far as the 1701-F, I believe the official explanation for why such a young ship was getting decommissioned was something like "it's not the age,it's the miles - Flagships get run hard." Which, ok, sure . . . buuuuutttt, we've seen from countless Mirandas and Excelsiors that Starfleet ship's spaceframes are solid and are built to last and be refitted. Starfleet doesn't build ships to be disposable, at least not in peacetime. So I'm having a difficult time believing that the CVN equivalent doesn't get the Starfleet version of a SLEP/RCOH.

They probably were still building them as supplements to the newer ships. Some may have been older ones refitted/recommissioned due to the Dominion War. Perhaps it was some serious damage, but they were going to wait until after the Frontier Day ceremonies to retire her.

[Paul Nuttall]

The fleet didn't look all that big compared to what we learned of Starfleet size during the Dominian War.