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Scuttled in the Atlantic by the Brazilian navy.



Another of the cold war ”celebrities” gone.

Well, that's going to piss off a lot of people, excluding the Brazilian Navy.

She's been turned away from scrapping because of asbestos and has been drifting around for months. The environmentalists are all, "OMG, it'll poison the seabed if sunk". The Brazilian Navy are happy just to get rid of her, and can tolerate a bit of bad international press for a few weeks.

The mooring lines look to be at a strange angle given the depth that she was sunk in.

Is that because she's sliding sternwards?

Or theory number 2, they were chains used for the tow and have only just been released from the winches

warshipadmin wrote: ↑Sun Feb 05, 2023 5:46 am Or theory number 2, they were chains used for the tow and have only just been released from the winches

Yeah there’s some other photo of her under tow, looks like the chains were used.

This artist impression of the former NAe Sao Paulo's "controlled sinking is nice.

I guess the Brazilians ultimately didn't give a Foch.

Sukhoiman wrote: ↑Sun Feb 05, 2023 3:38 pm I guess the Brazilians ultimately didn't give a Foch.

OSCSSW wrote: ↑Sun Feb 05, 2023 2:45 pm Question.
Did she ever have one operational day under the Brazilian flag as a commissioned vessel that actually conducted air ops?
By that I mean launch and recover aircraft that actually had a mission other than testing ?

Seems so. She was delivered to Brazil in early 2001 and served with the Brazilian navy for a bit over 4 years, mostly training Brazilian A-4 and Argentinian Super Etendard and S-2 crews. She suffered a major engineering casualty in mid 2005 which took her out of service, after which she was extensively (and expensively!) repaired, refitted, and modernized; she then suffered another major fire in 2012, before she could return to active service, and this time the Brazilian government (eventually) decided she was beyond economical repair.

Sukhoiman wrote: ↑Sun Feb 05, 2023 3:38 pm I guess the Brazilians ultimately didn't give a Foch.

As I understand it, the Brazilians were trying VERY hard to give a Foch...


To anyone who would take it. No one would. Kind of like the fat guy at the senior prom.


*grin*

Belushi TD

Belushi TD wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 11:32 am

Sukhoiman wrote: ↑Sun Feb 05, 2023 3:38 pm I guess the Brazilians ultimately didn't give a Foch.

As I understand it, the Brazilians were trying VERY hard to give a Foch...


To anyone who would take it. No one would. Kind of like the fat guy at the senior prom.


*grin*

Belushi TD

She's still in better shape than Admiral Kuznetsov

Cihatari wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 6:48 pm FoGDx5QXEAAdi8x.jpg
She's still in better shape than Admiral Kuznetsov

...Guys,

I think that's Oriskany (CV34) going to her reward as an artificial reef.

Mike

MikeKozlowski wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 8:12 pm

Cihatari wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 6:48 pm FoGDx5QXEAAdi8x.jpg
She's still in better shape than Admiral Kuznetsov

...Guys,

I think that's Oriskany (CV34) going to her reward as an artificial reef.

Mike

Agreed, something looks off. Photos I can find of SAO PAULO only have one catapult forward, on the port side. That photo clearly has two.

Sao Paulo



CV34

Note that SP has a bridege that is fat at the ottom and gets thinner as it goes up, 34 has a thin bit at the bottom and then gets wider.

Definitely CV-34. The top of the island is a match. The cylindrical thing and the extending arm.

M.Becker wrote: ↑Tue Feb 07, 2023 11:31 am Definitely CV-34. The top of the island is a match. The cylindrical thing and the extending arm.

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