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The 4th Constellation-class #frigate will become USS #LAFAYETTE FFG65,
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announced 29 June in Paris. 4th US Navy ship of the name: a Civil War ironclad ram; ill-fated former liner NORMANDIE AP53 in WW2; and the Polaris ballistic missile submarine SSBN616 in service 1963-91ayette[/i] (FFG65).
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...USS Lafayette FFG-65. Good name.
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Might be a good time to consider a new Rochambeau as well.
(Oh and won’t you consider naming something small von Stedingk too.
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(Oh and won’t you consider naming something small von Stedingk too.

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Yeah, I think that’s the only Swede that’s been honored with a US Navy ship name. Though there is a USNS John Ericsson in service, slated to decom in 2026.
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Yeah but to be fair I kind of think Rochambeau deserves to be a combat vessel. A frigate would do it.Johnnie Lyle wrote: ↑Thu Jun 29, 2023 9:57 pmThe US ROCHAMBEAU was a transport. DUNDERBERG was renamed ROCHAMBEAU when the French bought her.
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Negative there Ghost Rider. Rochambeau is Army, not Navy. Name a nice fort after him.Micael wrote: ↑Thu Jun 29, 2023 9:59 pmYeah but to be fair I kind of think Rochambeau deserves to be a combat vessel. A frigate would do it.Johnnie Lyle wrote: ↑Thu Jun 29, 2023 9:57 pmThe US ROCHAMBEAU was a transport. DUNDERBERG was renamed ROCHAMBEAU when the French bought her.
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And Lafayette is?Johnnie Lyle wrote: ↑Thu Jun 29, 2023 10:07 pmNegative there Ghost Rider. Rochambeau is Army, not Navy. Name a nice fort after him.Micael wrote: ↑Thu Jun 29, 2023 9:59 pmYeah but to be fair I kind of think Rochambeau deserves to be a combat vessel. A frigate would do it.Johnnie Lyle wrote: ↑Thu Jun 29, 2023 9:57 pm
The US ROCHAMBEAU was a transport. DUNDERBERG was renamed ROCHAMBEAU when the French bought her.

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LAFAYETTE has significant combat history in the USN and fugly warshipness, whereas ROCHAMBEAU does not.Micael wrote: ↑Thu Jun 29, 2023 10:10 pmAnd Lafayette is?Johnnie Lyle wrote: ↑Thu Jun 29, 2023 10:07 pmNegative there Ghost Rider. Rochambeau is Army, not Navy. Name a nice fort after him.![]()
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Still army.Johnnie Lyle wrote: ↑Thu Jun 29, 2023 10:22 pmLAFAYETTE has significant combat history in the USN and fugly warshipness, whereas ROCHAMBEAU does not.Micael wrote: ↑Thu Jun 29, 2023 10:10 pmAnd Lafayette is?Johnnie Lyle wrote: ↑Thu Jun 29, 2023 10:07 pm
Negative there Ghost Rider. Rochambeau is Army, not Navy. Name a nice fort after him.![]()
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But grandfathered due to polluting the Mississippi with ugly and hauling nukes around for a few decades.
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Comte de Grasse would be a good name.
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I'm hoping after Biden leaves office, for a Winston Churchill. Yes, I know he wasn't a US Citizen, but I think he deserves it.
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Anything wrong with the current USS Winston S. Churchill (DDG-81)?
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Oops, I didn't check since I thought it was retired.pengolod_sc wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 11:14 am Anything wrong with the current USS Winston S. Churchill (DDG-81)?
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Plenty of DDGs named for politicians we can fix.
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Heerman, Hoel, Johnston and Ernest Evans are available. The latter is actually 3/4 Native American, so would please both sides of the aisle.
My initial thought was Samuel B. Roberts, but that's a shoreside damage control training establishment now. Considering the fate of the first and last Samuel B Roberts, I'm not sure if naming another ship that would necessarily be a good idea. Given the history, a DC trainer is wonderful.
My initial thought was Samuel B. Roberts, but that's a shoreside damage control training establishment now. Considering the fate of the first and last Samuel B Roberts, I'm not sure if naming another ship that would necessarily be a good idea. Given the history, a DC trainer is wonderful.
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Good for DDGs, but the CONSTELLATIONs are being named for historical ships that we don’t have CVs or big-deck amphibs for.kdahm wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 3:22 pm Heerman, Hoel, Johnston and Ernest Evans are available. The latter is actually 3/4 Native American, so would please both sides of the aisle.
My initial thought was Samuel B. Roberts, but that's a shoreside damage control training establishment now. Considering the fate of the first and last Samuel B Roberts, I'm not sure if naming another ship that would necessarily be a good idea. Given the history, a DC trainer is wonderful.
GUERIERRE, MACEDONIAN and JAVA would be good choices. So would CYANE, LEVANT, PEACOCK, INTREPID, and some of the Civil War ships like CARONDELET.
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Was hoping the next two would have been the USS United States & President, to fill out the remaining of the original 6 Frigates... oh well.
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....So, when this actually popped up on Twitter from SECNAV's account, I sent back the following:
"Excellent choice, Mister Secretary. Any chance we could get a new RANGER soon?"
Crickets ever since. I think the lad knows I'm keeping an eye on him.
Mike
"Excellent choice, Mister Secretary. Any chance we could get a new RANGER soon?"
Crickets ever since. I think the lad knows I'm keeping an eye on him.

Mike