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Re: General Discussion Thread
Posted: Sun Jul 28, 2024 2:11 am
by jemhouston
Bernard Woolley wrote: ↑Sun Jul 28, 2024 12:38 am
jemhouston wrote: ↑Sat Jul 27, 2024 10:33 pm
Are we sure it's only one person and not people using the same code name as the old one leaves the field? If Western Intelligence got a report that XXX was killed in an operation in the Middle East, only to show up in West Germany the next month could confuse the issue.
Triple X was definitely one person. Apparently SIS had contacts with them in person on more than one occasion.
OOC: Those who met Triple X said they strongly resembled Barbara Bach.
I was afraid he looked like Vin Diesel.
Re: General Discussion Thread
Posted: Sun Jul 28, 2024 3:24 am
by Matt Wiser
Bernard Woolley wrote: ↑Sat Jul 27, 2024 7:54 pm
I know that one of the closest to success was one organised by retired KGB Chairman, General Anatoly Gogol. He sent a KGB officer known only as XXX to kill Khvostov. Gogol was an honourable man who despised Khvostov‘s methods. He had been forced out because he was too connected with the period of detente in the ‘70s, but still had contacts within the KGB.
Ironically, it seems that XXX’s attempt was unsuccessful because it coincided with a totally FUBAR one by a Resistance Cell. The story goes that XXX had a perfect opportunity lined up when the Resistance took a shot and missed. Nicked his ear, I believe. Khvostov‘s security whisked him away and his protection was significantly increased. What happened to this XXX, apparently nobody knows.
I've heard that name before. Wasn't he Chief of their Foreign Operations under Andropov? His name keeps coming up among those Soviets who wanted either to not go to war, or, once it was clear they wouldn't win, find an honorable peace. That name also comes up when the October '89 coup attempt that led to the Second Russian Civil War is discussed.
Re: General Discussion Thread
Posted: Sun Jul 28, 2024 4:21 pm
by Bernard Woolley
Yes, I believe that’s right. He was Chairman for a bit in the ‘70s, but was forced out because he was against starting a war with the West.
Re: General Discussion Thread
Posted: Sun Jul 28, 2024 5:25 pm
by Poohbah
Bernard Woolley wrote: ↑Sun Jul 28, 2024 4:21 pm
Yes, I believe that’s right. He was Chairman for a bit in the ‘70s, but was forced out because he was against starting a war with the West.
Funny thing was that Kosov, of all people, accused him of cooking the books on net assessment. I wonder what sort of feelings he has as it became obvious that Kosov's lies had started a war that the
Rodina was losing...the "I told you so" was probably warring with utter horror.
I've talked to some intelligence graybeards and they said he was the straightest of straight shooters.
Re: General Discussion Thread
Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2024 12:28 pm
by Wolfman
General Gray was laid to rest at Arlington National Cemetery the day before yesterday… I can safely assume that he is now having to defend his decision-making to the ultimate authority…
Re: General Discussion Thread
Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2024 1:22 pm
by jemhouston
Wolfman wrote: ↑Fri Aug 02, 2024 12:28 pm
General Gray was laid to rest at Arlington National Cemetery the day before yesterday… I can safely assume that he is now having to defend his decision-making to the ultimate authority…
The Lord forgives, he doesn't not forget.
Re: General Discussion Thread
Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2024 4:03 pm
by Wolfman
jemhouston wrote: ↑Fri Aug 02, 2024 1:22 pm
Wolfman wrote: ↑Fri Aug 02, 2024 12:28 pm
General Gray was laid to rest at Arlington National Cemetery the day before yesterday… I can safely assume that he is now having to defend his decision-making to the ultimate authority…
The Lord forgives, he doesn't not forget.
True, but He also holds His Collections Department to a higher standard…
Re: General Discussion Thread
Posted: Sat Aug 03, 2024 2:44 am
by Matt Wiser
Just how deep was Gogol in the '89 Coup? I've read that he did get a sizable faction to join in the plot, and that Kosov made sure that his part of the nuclear codes was safe with Gogol as well. (Remember, Soviet codes had to have a release code sent via the military and another from the KGB Chairman before weapons could be launched)
Re: General Discussion Thread
Posted: Sat Aug 03, 2024 3:28 am
by Poohbah
Matt Wiser wrote: ↑Sat Aug 03, 2024 2:44 am
Just how deep was Gogol in the '89 Coup? I've read that he did get a sizable faction to join in the plot, and that Kosov made sure that his part of the nuclear codes was safe with Gogol as well. (Remember, Soviet codes had to have a release code sent via the military and another from the KGB Chairman before weapons could be launched)
I'm not exactly sure Kosov VOLUNTARILY handed his biscuits over to Gogol.
Re: General Discussion Thread
Posted: Sat Aug 03, 2024 3:45 am
by Matt Wiser
Gogol knew something about Kosov. Blackmail or extortion, no matter.... He made sure that the nukes would not fly, no matter what.
Re: General Discussion Thread
Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2024 12:29 am
by Wolfman
Has anyone heard anything new about the Collings Foundation PB-1W restoration project?
Re: General Discussion Thread
Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2024 4:59 am
by Matt Wiser
Nothing new, and when I took 512 to EAA Oshkosh, the most I heard was "slow progress."
Re: General Discussion Thread
Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2024 2:46 pm
by Jotun
Lordroel wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2024 3:32 pm
Matt Wiser wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2024 7:36 am
he was despised by his own people, and when the chance came to overthrow the regime, the Romanian Army and people took it. And succeeded.
Some rumors going on that it was one of the KGB final operations.
I heard something like that from a former operator with Consular Operations, codenamed Beowulf Agate. Tough SOB. He dropped the name Taleniekov during an intelligence workshop I took part in.
They supposedly crossed swords more than once and towards the end cooperated on an op or three that helped bring down the clique responsible for WW3…
Re: General Discussion Thread
Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2024 2:56 pm
by Wolfman
Matt Wiser wrote: ↑Tue Aug 20, 2024 4:59 am
Nothing new, and when I took 512 to EAA Oshkosh, the most I heard was "slow progress."
That’s a pity. A flying PB-1W would be something to see…
Re: General Discussion Thread
Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2024 3:32 pm
by Poohbah
Jotun wrote: ↑Tue Aug 20, 2024 2:46 pm
Lordroel wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2024 3:32 pm
Matt Wiser wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2024 7:36 am
he was despised by his own people, and when the chance came to overthrow the regime, the Romanian Army and people took it. And succeeded.
Some rumors going on that it was one of the KGB final operations.
I heard something like that from a former operator with Consular Operations, codenamed Beowulf Agate. Tough SOB. He dropped the name Taleniekov during an intelligence workshop I took part in.
They supposedly crossed swords more than once and towards the end cooperated on an op or three that helped bring down the clique responsible for WW3…
I'd heard the codename Beowulf Agate once, ran it past Boss-Ma'am, and she just said, "He was the hardcore dude back in the day. Got shit done and didn't care who got pissed off about how he did it."
Re: General Discussion Thread
Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2024 4:10 pm
by jemhouston
Poohbah wrote: ↑Tue Aug 20, 2024 3:32 pm
Jotun wrote: ↑Tue Aug 20, 2024 2:46 pm
Lordroel wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2024 3:32 pm
Some rumors going on that it was one of the KGB final operations.
I heard something like that from a former operator with Consular Operations, codenamed Beowulf Agate. Tough SOB. He dropped the name Taleniekov during an intelligence workshop I took part in.
They supposedly crossed swords more than once and towards the end cooperated on an op or three that helped bring down the clique responsible for WW3…
I'd heard the codename Beowulf Agate once, ran it past Boss-Ma'am, and she just said, "He was the hardcore dude back in the day. Got shit done and didn't care who got pissed off about how he did it."
On the basis of that description, are you related to him Poohbah?
Re: General Discussion Thread
Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2024 6:04 pm
by Poohbah
jemhouston wrote: ↑Tue Aug 20, 2024 4:10 pm
Poohbah wrote: ↑Tue Aug 20, 2024 3:32 pm
Jotun wrote: ↑Tue Aug 20, 2024 2:46 pm
I heard something like that from a former operator with Consular Operations, codenamed Beowulf Agate. Tough SOB. He dropped the name Taleniekov during an intelligence workshop I took part in.
They supposedly crossed swords more than once and towards the end cooperated on an op or three that helped bring down the clique responsible for WW3…
I'd heard the codename Beowulf Agate once, ran it past Boss-Ma'am, and she just said, "He was the hardcore dude back in the day. Got shit done and didn't care who got pissed off about how he did it."
On the basis of that description, are you related to him Poohbah?
Doubtful. But not impossible.
Re: General Discussion Thread
Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2024 8:31 pm
by Jotun
OOC: If you hadn't noticed yet, I have rediscovered Robert Ludlum's thrillers. I actually read them (in German) at about ages 12 to 15, secondhand from my dad (I have always read several years above my age). It is sort of a nostalgia trip and it is fun to see how technology, society etc. have changed since he wrote them. In any case, many details went way over my head back then.
It is actually fun and the novels are quite modestly priced as Kindle versions.
Re: General Discussion Thread
Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2024 2:46 am
by Wolfman
OOC: I’ve vaguely heard of him. He wrote the Bourne series, right?
Re: General Discussion Thread
Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2024 5:28 am
by Jotun
Wolfman wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2024 2:46 am
OOC: I’ve vaguely heard of him. He wrote the Bourne series, right?
Yes, that's the guy.
He wrote a lot more.