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Bernard Woolley wrote: ↑Thu May 30, 2024 12:48 am The CAT competitions were totally unrealistic and a lot of countries cheated.

Yes, in Richard Kent’s Challenger 1 book he delves into that. U.S. Army team was caught taking pictures and videos of the range, etc.

Bernard Woolley wrote: ↑Thu May 30, 2024 12:48 am The CAT competitions were totally unrealistic and a lot of countries cheated.

"Challenger is a tank built for combat and not competitions."

As said by Brigadier Patrick Cordingley, the commander of 7th Armoured Brigade during Desert Storm

And with CR2 the army now has a tank built for combat that can also win competitions.

Bernard,

Please shoot me an email, I am trying to update the ORBAT and have some questions.

Sure, will do so at the weekend if that’s okay.

Louie wrote: ↑Thu May 30, 2024 1:44 am

Bernard Woolley wrote: ↑Thu May 30, 2024 12:48 am The CAT competitions were totally unrealistic and a lot of countries cheated.

Yes, in Richard Kent’s Challenger 1 book he delves into that. U.S. Army team was caught taking pictures and videos of the range, etc.

Or was it an unofficial competition in the area of scouting/reconnaissance missions?

Being able to shoot is nice, but knowing the terrain, etc., without the other side knowing also matters. It ain't always a case of "dead men tell no tales."

Bernard Woolley wrote: ↑Thu May 30, 2024 12:48 am The CAT competitions were totally unrealistic and a lot of countries cheated.

What's that? Whingeing 30 years after the fact? That's extremely un-British

Clint Smith, "If you're not cheating, you're not trying."

James T. Kirk, "I changed the conditions of the test."

Jotun wrote: ↑Fri Jun 14, 2024 12:33 pm

Bernard Woolley wrote: ↑Thu May 30, 2024 12:48 am The CAT competitions were totally unrealistic and a lot of countries cheated.

What's that? Whingeing 30 years after the fact? That's extremely un-British

Un-British-Aerospace more like!!!

Just a Warning Order…
Bernard and I are currently trying to get a grip on updating the ORBAT. A ton of documents have been released since TLW started, so things that were guessed at/like to have turned out somewhat differently from what was planned prior to IRL Wall Fall. So we are trying to reconcile some things to adapt them for TLW (Bernard I hope I did not mis-speak for you)

You certainly didn’t, Louie. Thanks for your help.

Equipment, Ammunition, and Fuel: Operational Stocks of Ammunition on hand end of 1989
TOW = 5,139 (100% for 30 + days)
MILAN = 34,853 (100% for 30 + days)
SWINFIRE = 6,224 (100% for 30 + days)
LAW 80 35,539 (49 % for 14.6 days)
84mm CARL GUSTAV = 17,767 (7% for 2 days)
30mm RARDEN = 302,729 (100% for 30 + days)
76mm = 74,662 (100% for 30 + days)
120mm = 202,232 (100% for 30 + days)
65mm/105mm AVRE = 8,800 (100% for 30 + days)
51mm =302,226 (69% for 20.7 days)
81mm = 301,806 (82% for 39 days)
105mm LTG/ABBOTT = 825,125 (62% for 24 days)
155mm HE = 330,823
155mm ICM = 440,00 (both 68.5% for 20.5 days)
175mm =3,034 (35% for 10 days)
203mm -5,193 (no info)
RAPIER = 4,930 ( in 1990 5,625 (100% for 30 + days))
BLOWPIPE/JAVELIN = 9,019 (100% for 30 + days)
MLRS =3,030 (no info)
AT Mines = 623,500 (no info)
AP Mines =2,204,815 (no info)

Principal WMR/WRS Equipments/Natures Royal Navy as at 1 June 1990
VLSW = T23 -59 (each ship) AOR -38 (each ship) shortfall of 15%
4.5in Gun NGS Pool = 15,600 (100%)
AMRAAM = 12.75 per aircraft (30% shortfall)
GOALKEEPER = T22 each ship 12,000, CVS each ship 13,500 (21 days of combat, 5% shortfall)
PHALANX = T42 each ship 7,750 (23 days of combat, 20% shortfall)
20mmBMARC = 5,000 per gun (9 days of combat, 10% shortfall)
SEAWOLF = T22- 48 per ship, Leander-30 per ship, CVS-52 per ship, T42 Batch 3- 55 per ship (15% shortfall)
30mmBMARC = 2,000 rounds per gun (16 days of combat, 10% shortfall)
F76 POL = 75 days of combat (NATO requirement 45 days, 55 days shortfall)
SEA SKUA = 753 (15% shortfall)
SEA DART = T42- 53 per ship, CVS - 53 per ship, T82-42 (no info)
RNSH = SSN 02-06 each boat 24, SSN 07-19 each boat 20, SSN 20 - 20 (25% shortfall)
Sonobouys = LOFAR -58,523 (NATO 1.5 day shortfall, 0 National), DIFAR - 29,262 (NATO 15 day shortfall, 19% National), BATHY - 7,315 (NATO 27 day shortfall, 32% National)
HARPOON = T22/23 no numbers but a 25% shortfall
4.5in Mk8 HE & Starshell - 350 per ship (15% shortfall)

Principal WMR/WRS Equipments/Natures Royal Air Force as at 1 June 1990
SRAAM = 4,413 (NATO SPG 4,438, shortfall 1 %)
MRAAM = 2,242 SKYFLASH, 383 SPARROW (NATO SPG 2,241)
27mm HEI/APHE = Full stock of 30+ days (NATO SPG 574,320)
JP233 = Full stock of 30+ days (NATO SPG 1,370)
Sonobuoys = JEZEBEL- 36,325 (NATO SPG 13,321), DIFAR- 19,535 (NATO SPG 51,804, 62% shortfall), BARRA- 3,544 (NATO SPG 7,004, 50% shortfall),
CAMBS- 1,803 (NATO SPG 4,767, 62% shortfall), BATHY- 3,757 (NATO SPG 8,098, 54% shortfall)
Aviation Fuel = 33 Days (NATO SPG 38 days, 5 day shortfall)

Principal WMR/WRS Equipments/Natures Army as at 1 June 1990
M109 155mm Howitzer = NATO SPG- 5, National-81, shortfall of 72 National
MBT = NATO SPG- 252, National-277, NATO shortfall 80/National 105
RAPIER towed/tracked = NATO SPG- 41, National-84, shortfall of 43 National
DN181 Tracker = NATO SPG-11, National 23, shortfall of 9 National
FH70 155mm Howitzer = NATO SPG-3, National 20, shortfall of 9 National
155mm ammo = NATO SPG 675,000, National 473,626, NATO shortfall 326,640/160,105 National
MILAN = NATO SPG- 26,806, National- 33,816, shortfall of 2,152 National
RAPIER MSL = No NATO SPG, National-6,192, shortfall of 2,220