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Re: OOC Thread

Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2024 2:28 am
by Wolfman
He pulled his stuff after some disagreements over the postwar USN ORBAT, Belushi, and nobody’s managed to get in touch with him about reposting Showboat At War for posterity’s sake…

Re: OOC Thread

Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2024 5:38 am
by Matt Wiser
If someone can get in touch with him, that would be good. Even if he no longer wishes to be involved, granting permission to repost his stuff would be greatly appreciated.

Re: OOC Thread

Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2024 3:46 pm
by Lordroel
Matt Wiser wrote: Tue Nov 26, 2024 5:38 am If someone can get in touch with him, that would be good. Even if he no longer wishes to be involved, granting permission to repost his stuff would be greatly appreciated.
If he gives, does anybody have the Showboat stored on their PC.

Re: OOC Thread

Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2024 8:05 pm
by Wolfman
Nope. I’ve got Shipbucket profiles and line art of the Showboat.

Re: OOC Thread

Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2024 6:24 pm
by Lordroel
So i was wondering, searching true the CIA de-classified documents i came about this:

SOVIET NAVAL ACTIVITIES OUTSIDE HOME WATERS IN 1985
https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/DOC_0000499548.pdf

Now, i know in Red Storm Rising before the outbreak of war the Americans notice that the Soviets where not as active with their navy as usual and even discovered from satellite photos that Soviet submarines where getting new batteries, now my question is in the Red Dawn verse before the war started the Soviet Navy conducted limit operations compared to regular operations in order to maintain, train and organize their ships for the upcoming battles that would come.

Re: OOC Thread

Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2024 6:37 pm
by Poohbah
Lordroel wrote: Thu Nov 28, 2024 6:24 pm So i was wondering, searching true the CIA de-classified documents i came about this:

SOVIET NAVAL ACTIVITIES OUTSIDE HOME WATERS IN 1985
https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/DOC_0000499548.pdf

Now, i know in Red Storm Rising before the outbreak of war the Americans notice that the Soviets where not as active with their navy as usual and even discovered from satellite photos that Soviet submarines where getting new batteries, now my question is in the Red Dawn verse before the war started the Soviet Navy conducted limit operations compared to regular operations in order to maintain, train and organize their ships for the upcoming battles that would come.
One thing I would expect is the establishment of an East Pacific Eskadra based in Mexico, with major civil engineering efforts to expand the waterfront getting underway even before Mexico City falls in '84.

Re: OOC Thread

Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2024 6:41 pm
by Lordroel
Poohbah wrote: Thu Nov 28, 2024 6:37 pm

One thing I would expect is the establishment of an East Pacific Eskadra based in Mexico, with major civil engineering efforts to expand the waterfront getting underway even before Mexico City falls in '84.
If that happen, there where people sleeping in Washington, a East Pacific Eskadra would be 10 % of the Cuban Missile Crisis as it allowed the Soviets to patrol the East Coast with out a problem.

Re: OOC Thread

Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2024 6:45 pm
by Poohbah
Lordroel wrote: Thu Nov 28, 2024 6:41 pm
Poohbah wrote: Thu Nov 28, 2024 6:37 pm

One thing I would expect is the establishment of an East Pacific Eskadra based in Mexico, with major civil engineering efforts to expand the waterfront getting underway even before Mexico City falls in '84.
If that happen, there where people sleeping in Washington, a East Pacific Eskadra would be 10 % of the Cuban Missile Crisis as it allowed the Soviets to patrol the East Coast with out a problem.
We'd already accepted a Soviet fleet base at Cienfuegos during the Nixon administration. A fleet base at Puerto Vallarta wouldn't be the end of the world. Just extremely f***ing worrisome.

Re: OOC Thread

Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2024 7:17 pm
by jemhouston
Just remember, a large part of the foreign policy establishment was actively down playing the Soviet presence in the America's. They were afraid Reagan would draw the "wrong" conclusion that the were preparing to attack the US, and Reagan would hit them first.

Re: OOC Thread

Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2024 10:42 am
by Lordroel
jemhouston wrote: Thu Nov 28, 2024 7:17 pm Just remember, a large part of the foreign policy establishment was actively down playing the Soviet presence in the America's. They were afraid Reagan would draw the "wrong" conclusion that the were preparing to attack the US, and Reagan would hit them first.
So they would not react when reports come in that for a month there is no Soviet naval prescience across the globe.

Re: OOC Thread

Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2024 11:00 am
by jemhouston
Lordroel wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2024 10:42 am
jemhouston wrote: Thu Nov 28, 2024 7:17 pm Just remember, a large part of the foreign policy establishment was actively down playing the Soviet presence in the America's. They were afraid Reagan would draw the "wrong" conclusion that the were preparing to attack the US, and Reagan would hit them first.
So they would not react when reports come in that for a month there is no Soviet naval prescience across the globe.
They would say it was a sign of the Soviets trying to turn down the temperature.

Re: OOC Thread

Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2024 11:21 am
by Lordroel
jemhouston wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2024 11:00 am
They would say it was a sign of the Soviets trying to turn down the temperature.
Before everything heated up on September 1985.

Re: OOC Thread

Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2024 1:54 pm
by jemhouston
Lordroel wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2024 11:21 am
jemhouston wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2024 11:00 am
They would say it was a sign of the Soviets trying to turn down the temperature.
Before everything heated up on September 1985.
maskirovka first, last, and always which.

Re: OOC Thread

Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2024 2:57 pm
by Lordroel
jemhouston wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2024 1:54 pm
maskirovka first, last, and always which.
Well they where experts in it during World War II.

Re: OOC Thread

Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2024 3:35 pm
by Wolfman
The various intelligence agencies all had bits and pieces of the full picture, but because they didn’t talk to each other, the US was caught even more off-guard than it would have been if those agencies had just talked to each other…

Re: OOC Thread

Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2024 10:13 am
by Lordroel
Question, the CIA is barred from operating on US Soil, but does this also applies to territory controlled during the War by the Soviet Union.

Re: OOC Thread

Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2024 3:22 pm
by Wolfman
I seem to recall that they got an exemption for the War, with the expectation that they would primarily be operating in occupied territory (and even when they weren’t, they were still better than RamDyne)…

Re: OOC Thread

Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2024 4:34 pm
by Bernard Woolley
Need to be careful, because there is a very real RamDyne company in @.

Re: OOC Thread

Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2024 10:45 pm
by Wolfman
I didn’t know that.

Re: OOC Thread

Posted: Sun Dec 01, 2024 12:27 am
by jemhouston