Re: The Stuart = Supatra Conspiracy theory
Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2023 8:20 am
They are a bit on the heavy side tho.
Yep, no argument there, but that was the whole point. They looked intimidating.
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Yep, no argument there, but that was the whole point. They looked intimidating.
Shrug, I was only a member for a year or two while Supatra was still posting so I don't feel like I saw enough to have much of an opinion on whether they were the same person. I will note that creating sock puppets to support arguments you were making on the internet was really common in the 2000s so I don't think using one was a sign of mental illness it was more a reflection that the tools for detecting such weren't in common use and people really enjoy winning internet arguments.Craiglxviii wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 8:00 amIf so, to do so in person goes rather beyond an internet prank and points to some form of deep delusion/ mental illness. And Stuart never struck me as mentally ill.Jotun wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 6:25 amMaskirovka?David Newton wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 4:47 pm The other problem with the man playing woman theory is that Stuart very clearly said he met her. He said that to me himself in person.
Suovapop.warshipadmin wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 8:23 pm No sock puppet really, just a fictional character (another voice). I just thought it was an amusing game, no malice intended, I'm still undecided on that theory having read the above. I'm hoping my memory will dredge up her surname.
Please correct me if I am wrong as this is far back enough that I have a lot of uncertainty but didn't Stuart agree with Supatra criticism? It could also be argued that the above comment could be taken as a complement anyway. Given Stuart's background being compared to a General instead of a sergeant is something he would prefer to hear anyway.Craiglxviii wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 6:50 pm Not sure I remember strong disagreements but I do remember a number of corrections the Suphi character made to some of Stu’s posts, one comment was along the lines of “Stu would make very good general but very bad sergeant” after he had assumed/ fluffed up some organisational admin assumptions in a fairly involved conversation.
Again my recollection here is very hazy but Supatra didn't just quit out of the blue right? Wasn't she leaving more of a gradually posting less and less kind of thing? Or was she always a somewhat infrequent poster?Belushi TD wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 3:14 pm Assuming my above surmises are correct, it would not surprise me either, if the reason "Supatra" stopped posting is because it came to the attention of their boss, who said "Knock it off, dumbass".
That's the way I remember it, FWIW.Calder wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 4:43 pmAgain my recollection here is very hazy but Supatra did just quit out of the blue right? Wasn't she leaving more of a gradually posting less and less kind of thing? Or was she always a somewhat infrequent poster?Belushi TD wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 3:14 pm Assuming my above surmises are correct, it would not surprise me either, if the reason "Supatra" stopped posting is because it came to the attention of their boss, who said "Knock it off, dumbass".
I assume you mean posting less and less. Does that also mean she was a much more active poster earlier during the TBOverse or was she mostly an infrequent poster? The slow tapering off strongly implies she wasn't a sock puppet controlled by Stuart. It also argues strongly against Belushi's theory of a boss telling her to stop posting.MikeKozlowski wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 5:18 pmThat's the way I remember it, FWIW.Calder wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 4:43 pmAgain my recollection here is very hazy but Supatra didn't just quit out of the blue right? Wasn't she leaving more of a gradually posting less and less kind of thing? Or was she always a somewhat infrequent poster?Belushi TD wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 3:14 pm Assuming my above surmises are correct, it would not surprise me either, if the reason "Supatra" stopped posting is because it came to the attention of their boss, who said "Knock it off, dumbass".
Mike
Calder,Calder wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 7:45 pmI assume you mean posting less and less. Does that also mean she was a much more active poster earlier during the TBOverse or was she mostly an infrequent poster? The slow tapering off strongly implies she wasn't a sock puppet controlled by Stuart. It also argues strongly against Belushi's theory of a boss telling her to stop posting.
Beyond that, I don't think we are going to learn much.
I remember one discussion with a member who claimed military brilliance as he had played 'war games' for 20-plus years, therefore knew more about battles than Supatra and Stuart combined. Now, the reason I mention this is I had also been exposed to some of these 'sock-puppet' accusations on other Alt-History websites, but during this particular discussion Supatra mentioned a small engagement on the banks of a river between friendly forces and and an enemy force which included an old A34 Comet cruiser tank from WW2; her mention of this was to demonstrate even when the size of your forces easily outmatchs the enemy, the presence of a single tank can cause your entire force to duck and cover, and an assault to falter.Belushi TD wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 3:14 pm I strongly suspect that Supatra was actually a person in the Thai military. I also strongly suspect the name, rank, sex and all other details were completely false to prevent identifying the person in question. Considering Stuart's work in real life, it would not at all surprise me if the person who posted as Supatra was in Thai intelligence after having served significant time in a front line unit.
The combination of having served in a front line unit and then serving in intelligence would explain both the knowledge of how to run a unit, and the paranoia about being able to be identified through online methods. The intelligence aspect would give a means why Stuart knew them.
Assuming my above surmises are correct, it would not surprise me either, if the reason "Supatra" stopped posting is because it came to the attention of their boss, who said "Knock it off, dumbass".
Belushi TD
I remember this too for the fact that the tanks Suphi mentioned were Comets (x2). One of the most unlikely tanks to bring up in a non-western military confrontation of (I’d guess) the 70s- 80s. And that was my conclusion too, not only “that sounds wholly convincing” but “what a random tank to choose”.Andy L wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:25 amI remember one discussion with a member who claimed military brilliance as he had played 'war games' for 20-plus years, therefore knew more about battles than Supatra and Stuart combined. Now, the reason I mention this is I had also been exposed to some of these 'sock-puppet' accusations on other Alt-History websites, but during this particular discussion Supatra mentioned a small engagement on the banks of a river between friendly forces and and an enemy force which included an old A34 Comet cruiser tank from WW2; her mention of this was to demonstrate even when the size of your forces easily outmatchs the enemy, the presence of a single tank can cause your entire force to duck and cover, and an assault to falter.Belushi TD wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 3:14 pm I strongly suspect that Supatra was actually a person in the Thai military. I also strongly suspect the name, rank, sex and all other details were completely false to prevent identifying the person in question. Considering Stuart's work in real life, it would not at all surprise me if the person who posted as Supatra was in Thai intelligence after having served significant time in a front line unit.
The combination of having served in a front line unit and then serving in intelligence would explain both the knowledge of how to run a unit, and the paranoia about being able to be identified through online methods. The intelligence aspect would give a means why Stuart knew them.
Assuming my above surmises are correct, it would not surprise me either, if the reason "Supatra" stopped posting is because it came to the attention of their boss, who said "Knock it off, dumbass".
Belushi TD
This other member still just didn't accept the reality of real-life combat'.
This example was not something I would have expected from Stuart, and demonstrated, to me at least, to take Supatra at face value.
I am not sure. I know he was not in good health the last I heard, and I seem to recall that he has passed away. However I'm old and may be mistaken.warshipadmin wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 3:41 am OK, I'm convinced. Do you know what happened to Soren? He retired from warships1 a good while ago, which was a shame as he was writing an interesting series of reminiscences about Vietnam.
Suphi:Suphi and I have discussed doing a book on the Thai-French war, she'd gather the information from Thai sources and translate it and I'd gather the European stuff and bash everything together. It's a question of time really; when we started talking about it she was doing contract supervision on the RTA's tactical communications system and was bored. Since then, she's had one thing dumped on her after another.
Mon Mak Mun was June 1980; Stuart from 1982-1988 was a Systems Analyst in Defense/Naval Electronics -- he went to Jane's in 1988-1990; then moved to the US and Forecast later in 1990.For me Mon Mak Moon was big change in career. Before that was mostly just office lady write reports do files keepo track of expenses. Degree of mine is in Business Administration. After that started getting postings that were much more operational.