OOC Thread

[Wolfman]

Okay.

[Lordroel]

Can this Twilight scourcebook be use to build the Mexican Army.'

https://www.pmulcahy.com/PDFs/Mexican_A ... cebook.pdf

Also did the United States sleep when the Mexicans where building up their army with all the Soviet gear, that must be a lot of transport ships going to the country.

[Poohbah]

Can this Twilight scourcebook be use to build the Mexican Army.'

https://www.pmulcahy.com/PDFs/Mexican_A ... cebook.pdf

Also did the United States sleep when the Mexicans where building up their army with all the Soviet gear, that must be a lot of transport ships going to the country.

There was a bit of a war inside the US intelligence community before the actual war. A lot of civilian intelligence Senior Executive Service folks were actively trying to manage perceptions of the threat because they were afraid Ronnie Ray-Gun would start a war with Mexico.

Making the situation worse, there was a Soviet asset at Langley who ended up getting codenamed BALTAR by the counterintelligence boys when the hunt was on. Part of his schtick was psychological manipulation of analysts to get them to doubt what their professional instincts were telling them by focusing them on not rocking the boat, career concerns ("Look, you want to go upstairs with goofy conspiracy theories, it's your ass, not mine"), etc. Their stuff either got excluded from NIEs or relegated to footnotes, but enough of the analysts wrote memos for the record that when the inevitable housecleaning hit in September/October 1985, the most egregious offenders spent the rest of the war trying to not get racked up on treason charges, while Baltar "went into the field" and disappeared, subsequently to resurface under another legend.

[Lordroel]

There was a bit of a war inside the US intelligence community before the actual war. A lot of civilian intelligence Senior Executive Service folks were actively trying to manage perceptions of the threat because they were afraid Ronnie Ray-Gun would start a war with Mexico.

So that is why no U-2 and SR-71 flights over Mexico.

[Poohbah]

There was a bit of a war inside the US intelligence community before the actual war. A lot of civilian intelligence Senior Executive Service folks were actively trying to manage perceptions of the threat because they were afraid Ronnie Ray-Gun would start a war with Mexico.

So that is why no U-2 and SR-71 flights over Mexico.

In the end, there was a covert op involving sheep-dipped aircrew and recon teams that ended up getting just enough warning into military hands to avoid a national catastrophe.

[Lordroel]

In the end, there was a covert op involving sheep-dipped aircrew and recon teams that ended up getting just enough warning into military hands to avoid a national catastrophe.

I wonder if Reagan did start a war, would it have better, the Soviet Union would complain, the UN would criticize, but in the end, millions of Americans might have lived.

[Lordroel]

Matt two question, one is when i posted the F-4 facht file over on my forum, Wolfman said:

I’ve mentioned this on HPCA, but VF-201 Hunters and VF-202 Superheats were flying the F-4S version, and I’m not sure if the F-4N was still in service…

Is the F-4N out of service.

Second question, did the IAI Super Phantom, which flew in 1986 enter into production ore remained it just a prototype.

[James1978]

Matt two question, one is when i posted the F-4 facht file over on my forum, Wolfman said:

I’ve mentioned this on HPCA, but VF-201 Hunters and VF-202 Superheats were flying the F-4S version, and I’m not sure if the F-4N was still in service…

Is the F-4N out of service.

Second question, did the IAI Super Phantom, which flew in 1986 enter into production ore remained it just a prototype.

In @ at least:
* USN: the last Navy F-4N squadron (VF-201) gave up their F-4Ns in February 1984 and transitioned to the F-4S
* USMC: the last Marine F-4N squadron (VMFA-134) gave up their F-4Ns in November 1985 and transitioned to the F-4S

[Poohbah]

Matt two question, one is when i posted the F-4 facht file over on my forum, Wolfman said:

I’ve mentioned this on HPCA, but VF-201 Hunters and VF-202 Superheats were flying the F-4S version, and I’m not sure if the F-4N was still in service…

Is the F-4N out of service.

Second question, did the IAI Super Phantom, which flew in 1986 enter into production ore remained it just a prototype.

In @ at least:
* USN: the last Navy F-4N squadron (VF-201) gave up their F-4Ns in February 1984 and transitioned to the F-4S
* USMC: the last Marine F-4N squadron (VMFA-134) gave up their F-4Ns in November 1985 and transitioned to the F-4S

My understanding is that the only difference between the N and S was that the S had slats.

[Wolfman]

The S was based on the F-4J, while the N was based on the F-4B…

[Lordroel]

Matt two question, one is when i posted the F-4 facht file over on my forum, Wolfman said:



Is the F-4N out of service.

Second question, did the IAI Super Phantom, which flew in 1986 enter into production ore remained it just a prototype.

In @ at least:
* USN: the last Navy F-4N squadron (VF-201) gave up their F-4Ns in February 1984 and transitioned to the F-4S
* USMC: the last Marine F-4N squadron (VMFA-134) gave up their F-4Ns in November 1985 and transitioned to the F-4S

My understanding is that the only difference between the N and S was that the S had slats.

Thanks, will edit the dacht file with this new information.

[Wolfman]

Matt, I seem to recall that we had the RAN retain HMAS Melbourne and pick up E-1s and A-4Ms to fly off of her…

[Matt Wiser]

I believe so: she was mothballed and going to be sold for scrap, but the balloon went up... E-1Bs, S-2Es, and A-4s.

[Wolfman]

Just making sure that it was still canon, and that I remembered correctly. The Trackers and the Tracers are upgraded to turboprop engines and a new radar system during the war.

[Lordroel]

I believe so: she was mothballed and going to be sold for scrap, but the balloon went up... E-1Bs, S-2Es, and A-4s.

But the transfered the A-4G to New Zeeland in OTL, unless they are different versions.

[Matt Wiser]

They were flying refurbished F models from AMARC.

[Matryoshka]

But again, I can’t see those birds getting much in the way of upgrades before delivery, certainly nothing on the scale of my beloved Project KAHU.
» With US industry on a wartime footing, the performance improvements might be notable, but I doubt they’d be enough to justify the expense and additional delay in getting the airframes out to the Aussies, any more than they would be for equipping the RNZAF either in NZ itself or for the detachment operating from NAS Whidbey Island. (IOTL, they were mainly meant to be about familiarising RNZAF pilots with F-16-style avionics before we finally pulled the trigger on actual F-16s. Thanks for nothing, Helen! And AIUI, in RNZAF service IRL the RWR was a constant up-gripe, which is obviously a deal-breaker in a shooting war.) The RAN A-4Fs taken from AMARC probably would’ve gotten all four wing-stations wired for Sidewinder, like the original G-models did, but anything beyond that likely would’ve gone in the ‘wartime expediency/TOO HARD’ basket.
» Afterward? I imagine that any post-WW3 service-life Melbourne had was merely as a placeholder. IDK if the Aussies would consider a replacement small carrier worth the expense in a post-WW3 world, and if so, it would likely have to wait on the delivery of new-build (and more capable) aircraft, possibly FA-18Es or even F-25s(?). And, of course, someone willing to build the thing for them, which means the US, the UK, or the French; the former two would have their own houses to put in order first, and the French would probably insist on making it a package-purchase with their own aircraft (possibly Rafale!), which post-WW3 might well be a deal-breaker for the Aussies.

[Matt Wiser]

Being wired for Sidewinder on all four stations along with AGM-65, along with some upgraded RWRs would probably be it. By the time the war ends, the air wing and the ship are totally worn out.

[clancyphile]

Maybe the Australians get a Furious-class carrier built by the Brits alongside/after Implacable, along with a wing of Harriers and choppers after the war.

[jemhouston]

The country that could come up with that type of carrier should clean up in sales.