The Last War: 358.

The long and short stories of 'The Last War' by Jan Niemczyk and others
James1978
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Re: The Last War: 358.

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Hmm, I wonder to what degree Coalition logistics could support asking the Saudis and the rest of the GCC to push forward as much of their artillery as possible and just pounding the snot out of every crossroads and strongpoint?
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Re: The Last War: 358.

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Matt Wiser wrote: Sat Apr 29, 2023 2:30 amAssuming Major Azarov and his men survive this, they may face a U.S. Army Court-Martial. it's one thing to escape and evade, but seizing a 737 and holding the crew hostage is another. As POWs, they would likely be tried by Court-Martial under Geneva, though correct me if I'm wrong, but would Federal Court in Anchorage be an alternative?
I've been thinking on this question as a general matter.

We've seen examples of Spetsnaz doing things that are decidedly beyond the scope of what NATO considers acceptable for special ops teams operating behind enemy lines.

And we've seen cartel sicarios being bad across multiple Federal Court districts, as well as urban insurrections that were possibly aided by foreign intelligence agents.

I think letting the local US Attorney, or even worse, local DA, bringing criminal cases against enemy special forces in civilian courts spread around the country is just asking for a circus.

I suspect something akin to the Military Tribunals we set up at Gitmo will be set up to try sicarios and captured intelligence agents, though possibly run by the DOJ. And I guess some kind of special court martial for spec-ops who colored too far outside the lines.
Kill a state trooper guarding a plant that build JDAMS? Probably inside the lines if we're being honest, even if the DA wants to try a captured Spetsnaz on state murder charges.
Hijack a civilian airliner? Probably an example of being too far outside the lines.
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Re: The Last War: 358.

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James1978 wrote: Wed May 03, 2023 6:04 am
Matt Wiser wrote: Sat Apr 29, 2023 2:30 amAssuming Major Azarov and his men survive this, they may face a U.S. Army Court-Martial. it's one thing to escape and evade, but seizing a 737 and holding the crew hostage is another. As POWs, they would likely be tried by Court-Martial under Geneva, though correct me if I'm wrong, but would Federal Court in Anchorage be an alternative?
I've been thinking on this question as a general matter.

We've seen examples of Spetsnaz doing things that are decidedly beyond the scope of what NATO considers acceptable for special ops teams operating behind enemy lines.

And we've seen cartel sicarios being bad across multiple Federal Court districts, as well as urban insurrections that were possibly aided by foreign intelligence agents.

I think letting the local US Attorney, or even worse, local DA, bringing criminal cases against enemy special forces in civilian courts spread around the country is just asking for a circus.

I suspect something akin to the Military Tribunals we set up at Gitmo will be set up to try sicarios and captured intelligence agents, though possibly run by the DOJ. And I guess some kind of special court martial for spec-ops who colored too far outside the lines.
Kill a state trooper guarding a plant that build JDAMS? Probably inside the lines if we're being honest, even if the DA wants to try a captured Spetsnaz on state murder charges.
Hijack a civilian airliner? Probably an example of being too far outside the lines.
An armed official guarding or in the vicinity of a location with military value should be a legitimate target.
Civilians, not so much. Except for attacking the SF in question.
After reading "Spetsnaz" by "Victor Suvorov", even accounting for a certain level of BS, I think that the personality profile expected of Spetsnaz soldiers is markedly different from that of the average Western SF trooper. Spetsnaz are somewhat highly trained thugs, often borderline psychotic, who are pointed at an enemy and not expected to care about collateral damage while their counterparts are extremely highly trained, highly professional independent thnkers who are able to selectively apply kinetic measures to the task at hand and who - normally - abhor collateral damage.
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