Navy sailor cap ship names

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Micael
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Navy sailor cap ship names

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The Royal Swedish Navy have stuck to an old process for manufacturing the ship names parts of the sailor caps, rather than going the embroided route such as the RN has. Nice with traditions, but the process involves genuine gold and an hour of work per name which is being questioned by some, whether it’s worth it. What do you think?

Here’s a short article on the process:
Traditional hat band manufacturer
By: Christian Lövgren | The Armed Forces Technical School – 11 April 2023 at: 15.49
In the middle of the 19th century, round caps with cap bands were introduced to the navy's uniforms. After almost 200 years, the tradition lives on and the sailor cap bands are still manufactured in the same way now as then. Meet Oscar Cederman at FMTS Markverkstad in Stockholm, the Swedish Armed Forces' only cap manufacturer.

Oscar Cederman in his hat band workshop.Oscar brushes off leftover gold leaf from a hat band.Old stencils that are still in Oscar's workshop.

Old stencils that still remain in Oscar's workshop are: Wasa - armored boat 1901, Wrangel - Destroyer 1917, Svalan - Steam sloop 1881, Fylgia - Armored cruiser 1905, Skuld - Gunboat 1879, Oden - Armored boat 1896, by Chapman - Steel full rigger 1888, Walrossen – Submarine 1918, Thule – Armored boat 1893. In 1900, the name of the ship on which the sailors served began to be printed on the cap bands. Previously it read Royal Navy on all bands.

It is usually said that there are many different professions within the Armed Forces. One of the perhaps a little more different is a band maker. Oscar Cederman is the only one who can claim that title in the Swedish Armed Forces.

Oscar started in the Armed Forces in 2011 as a security guard. In 2015 he started working as a ship technician and in 2019 he came to Markverkstad Stockholm and there he quickly took a liking to the small repair detail. On that detail, it's about letting creativity flow; everything from power plants, chainsaws to broken tents is fixed there. There is also both new manufacturing and manufacturing of prototypes in sewing. And that's where hatbands are made.

- When I started, beanie band production had lagged behind for a while and there was a shortage of hat bands. So the entire first year I worked almost exclusively with that production, explains Oscar.
- It's a slightly more fun job that requires a lot of patience and a steady hand, I think that's fun.

A CRAFT
Manufacturing begins with ribbons being cut to the right length. The color that is applied to the tape is then mixed using a stencil. When the paint has dried a little, gold leaf is applied. Leftover gold leaf is then brushed away and usually a little finishing work is required before the cap band is completely clear. The work takes about an hour per mouse band in efficient time.

- After almost four years, I think I've got the technique right. To use the tools in the right way and with the right force, for example. And then it is important to mix the color correctly. If it is mixed incorrectly, it is not noticed until it is too late, says Oscar.

A while ago, Oscar tried to streamline the process by using only gold paint without gold leaf.
- That attempt did not turn out well. The color was completely wrong and I couldn't get it the way I wanted it. The old way still applies, sums up Oscar.

- I have worked as a ship technician in the navy and wore a round cap with a cap band. But then I had no idea about either the tradition, how valuable the hatbands are or how much work is behind them, concludes Oscar, who has now managed to produce around 4,000 hatbands.
Some photos below.
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Johnnie Lyle
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Is embroidery really faster than goldbleaf stamping?
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Johnnie Lyle wrote: ↑Wed Apr 12, 2023 7:00 pm Is embroidery really faster than goldbleaf stamping?
Machine embroidery, can have a machine churn out loads in no time for little cost.
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Three thoughts on the issue.

Tradition has value in and of itself and is a way of keeping the past alive and remembering things that are both timeless and fragile.

It's easy to get rid of traditions, all but impossible to recreate them once lost.

It's not my money paying for this.
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Short version, yes.

Long version, Hell Yes.

Longer version, if you want to save money by cutting this, let me check to see what of yours I don't think you need.
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I'd need to have more information before I could say. How many hats are needed each year? How much does each hat band cost, in terms of the average hours of pay for an ordinary seaman? Should the fancy ones be provided to petty officers, or chief petty officers, and up enlisted only? Should officers be expected to buy their own from the Navy stores? What's the average duty usage of the hats, in numbers of years before going to a different ship or leaving service? What is the incremental cost between a machine embroidered cap and a painted one?
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kdahm wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 12:20 am I'd need to have more information before I could say. How many hats are needed each year? How much does each hat band cost, in terms of the average hours of pay for an ordinary seaman? Should the fancy ones be provided to petty officers, or chief petty officers, and up enlisted only? Should officers be expected to buy their own from the Navy stores? What's the average duty usage of the hats, in numbers of years before going to a different ship or leaving service? What is the incremental cost between a machine embroidered cap and a painted one?
Officers don’t wear cap badges with ship names on them. They’re on the dixie cup enlisted hat.
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That first picture is a picture of a man who has FOUND his niche in life, and damn well knows it.

I hope the Swedes are willing and able to continue to do this, because I find it very endearing that they still do it "The old way".

Admittedly, I have no idea as to cost compared to embroidery, but I'm certain they don't have enough need for hats to employ the same guy 100% of the time to run an embroidery machine.

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As has been mentioned above these caps are worn by the sailors only, not the officers and such.

I’m not sure what the exact cost is, other than it is supposedly substantial. It wears out faster than an embroided one would as well, the gold starts to flake eventually. Seems the cost and lead times can also lead to some temporary shortages at times which is perhaps a bit of a practical issue.

But the tradition is nice to have. I think it stands out more with the glistening gold than the embroided ones do, especially in sunlight.

I came across this photo of a sea bag with both Swedish and RN cap names on it, from the early 90’s. Can see a slight difference between them.
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Font is a little different, but it does look brighter as well.
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